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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject:

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If there is One daughter she gets One Half, if there is more then one, then they ALL get a total that is less then Half. Thank you Ahmed. And you had to bend the rules to give us this wonderful gem?

Hello Baal

please don't mock around, I explained clearly what you need to reply with to refute my argument

you need to find the grammatical rule that caused the Noon in Thulthan to be ommitted, believe me I searched and could not find it, so I will leave it to you guys

now regading what is fair and what is not fair, again the same verse is telling us that we won't know that, also you have already accused the Quran of not being fair by giving the male double the female, so your refute is nothing but desperation

remember this too, you guys also say that how come a kafir be burnt for eternity , this must not be fair, i.e. the issue in here is not about the fairness, because you already concluded that he is not fair

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:48 am Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Baal wrote:

If there is One daughter she gets One Half, if there is more then one, then they ALL get a total that is less then Half. Thank you Ahmed. And you had to bend the rules to give us this wonderful gem?

It's not a matter of fairness at this point, it's a matter of Allah being completely retarded. Allah giving twice to the male might be considered unfair, but Allah giving a larger pot to one daughter then to three is simply retarded. There's no way you can escape this, unless you admit that Allah is completely retarded. It's one or the other, but not both. It's your choice. Quite frankly, I could care less either way as both are horribly embarrassing. And you've been told this numerous times, but you decide to, once again, ignore it and stick your head in the sand. Quit wasting people's time, ok?
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject:

Is this a one-on-one debate or what? I presume formuers would stick to their guns.

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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:

?? _________________ If it is peace you want, seek to change yourself, not other people. It is easier to protect your feet with slippers than to carpet the whole of the earth. --Anthony DeMello

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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:02 am Post subject:

Melody wrote:

Is this a one-on-one debate or what? I presume formuers would stick to their guns.

exactly

they should have created another threads to comment on the one on one debate between me and mute
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:52 am Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Baal wrote:

If there is One daughter she gets One Half, if there is more then one, then they ALL get a total that is less then Half. Thank you Ahmed. And you had to bend the rules to give us this wonderful gem?

Earlier Brain and me got permission to join into this debate, at least for the purpose of Thultha.

Every single Mufassir found that Thultha could mean a dual third. When I looked at it, i had no doubt it means Two Thirds, all the examples you gave ahmed have a "Tanween" at the end. They all end in "An", real or implied. Thultha does not end with an "An".

As for the math issue you have with Mutley. It does not help your angle that you reduce the 2/3 to 1/3.

As for the Uthmanic koran reducing the share of the daughters if there are many, I am sorry, that is not about fairness anymore. That is plain retarded. I am sure even Muhammad or Uthman would not have made this mistake, as you claim they did.

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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

Hello Baal you are right mate, it was me who invited you to replace such jerk Anyway, how many other explanations that other Muslims produced? at least 3, all these explnanations including my proposed one can't be right at the same time, therefore the issue in had is doubtful and can't be proven, now let's leave it at that and move on to the next alleged mistake in the Quran unless this was the only thing you found to be an alleged mistake in the Quran, if so and because it is doubtful then there is no clear cut mistake in the Quran cheers _________________ And say: Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is bound to perish. [The Quran ; 17:81]

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:06 am Post subject:

Yes everybody, let's move on and pay no attention while I quietly attempt to sweep this issue under the rug and try to make it go away. Baghat, the debate ended a long time ago, and there is no reason to discuss other situations than the one I raised in thge beginning of this thread. you win. I agree. The words says 1/3 and Allah is an absolute moron who would give 1/2 of the entire inheritance for one daughter, but only give 1/3 of the inheritance if there are three daughters splitting it. I think this is even more moronic than fraction errors. So thanks a lot. _________________ If it is peace you want, seek to change yourself, not other people. It is easier to protect your feet with slippers than to carpet the whole of the earth. --Anthony DeMello

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

Are you still here mute, LOL No more bones you doggy well if Ball continue, I will use Thultha as 2/3 and still slam dunk him you watch freak _________________ And say: Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is bound to perish. [The Quran ; 17:81]

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject:

Hey Baal are you on to continue this debate and I will consider Thultha to mean 2/3 this time, I can explain anything in the Quran body with all sorts of flexability, I'm a professional, LOL let me know _________________ And say: Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is bound to perish. [The Quran ; 17:81]

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