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What does Sin, Forgiveness, and Freedom Mean to a Christian?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Mutley wrote:

Well, you caught half of it, so that's cool. Better than most.


Well, I DID say that certain things are non-negotiable with me.  Maybe I got the whole thing but don't agree 100%?  Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They call me Tater Salad wrote:
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What a lovely and sweet idea. I wonder how real it is though?


How real what is?


God, eternal soul and paradise.


To those who've accepted it, it is...to those who don't--does it matter?


For me to accept an idea, it has to be verifiable.

How do you verify and confirm the existence of God, eternal soul and paradise, without the use of religion?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They call me Tater Salad wrote:
All_Brains wrote:
They call me Tater Salad wrote:
All_Brains wrote:

What a lovely and sweet idea. I wonder how real it is though?


How real what is?


God, eternal soul and paradise.


To those who've accepted it, it is...to those who don't--does it matter?


For me to accept an idea, it has to be verifiable.

How do you verify and confirm the existence of God, eternal soul and paradise, without the use of religion?


It's a long story...  Cool

Let's go to your "why?" thread...since your question has nothing to do with Christianity.  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: What does Sin, Forgiveness, and Freedom Mean to a Christ Reply with quote

They call me Tater Salad wrote:
First off, I'm not trying to proselytize with this post at all;  I'm just putting it out there for comment or for others to post their beliefs.  Sani's thread on Hell made me think of this, and everyone's welcome to state their POV.

So many people (Muslims especially) like to argue with Christians about the Christian idea of forgiveness for sins and so easily misunderstand it.  I thought it would be interesting to start a thread talking about what we as self-proclaimed Christians think about how our sins are forgiven, and what that means to us.

I know that it's a broad topic, and like most things we all have our own ideas about what being "saved" means.  I'm pulling one of my posts from a Christian forum because it was probably for me my first public statement about what Jesus's death on the cross really signifies for me.  Here's my position on sin and forgiveness.

Without making it too long, the Bible tells us that the Law is written on our hearts when we accept Jesus as Savior and seek to do His will. The Law isn't gone, but it's been fulfilled for us through Him as a balance paid when we come face to face with God.

God tells us again and again that the wages of sin are death. If sin is the state to which we are born and live our Earthly life by virtue of Adam, then we cannot escape it--even AFTER we accept Jesus. What we escape is the penalty of those sins by the Grace of God through the payment of Jesus for us. As James said, if you break the least of the Commandments, you've then broken them all, because the Law is One Law under God. No one can be perfect except Jesus--we are constantly in the process of being MADE perfect, but I don't believe that we ever will be while we still have our sin nature (ie, earthly bodies). Remember the saying, "Be patient, God isn't done with me yet"? I believe wholeheartedly that this "perfecting" is a life-long process and is not one done by ourselves at all but wholly by our Lord God in Heaven.

I'm in no way saying that when we are aware of our sins and aren't repentant that we can continue along the path thinking we are saved or even righteous. What I'm saying is that the more one allows the Holy Spirit to take WHATEVER sins we live in (even those we AREN'T aware of--because we ALL fall short every DAY!), the more one begins to witness the Spirit's effect on our lives.

I'll tell you that many, MANY of the things that I did as a matter of course in my daily life--things that most people don't consider all that "bad" (like swearing, sarcasm, hard feelings) have been slowly washing away from me as I have allowed the Holy Spirit to work in my life more and more. I have done NOTHING but allow my faith that God will do with me what He sees best to be the force for change in my life. Seeing the need for repentence is sometimes easy when we are challenged by others to see our mistakes, and we can take an active part in "working out our salvation". The sins that God sees are much more subtle, and we may not even know that we are actively sinning, nor will others around us (even those who are saved). These I believe are the moments, when we allow God and His Spirit to address it, that we are changed not through our own doing but through the Spirit working in us.

Something else I've noticed in my own life that this "leaning on Him" has done for me is to free me from the burdens of guilt that sometimes can overwhelm. When you're trying to quit an addiction (or live life in The Spirit), you will always have moments of "falling off the wagon". Should these times be filled with guilt and shame, or do we "get back on the wagon" and move forward? I believe that the forgivness Jesus brings is the thing that keeps us from despair--that keeps us "getting back on the wagon" time and time again. In time, and with His grace, we find that we no longer even need "the wagon"--we are being carried by Him! As a consequence, it is EASIER to live in love for others without judgement, as we were (and often still are) sinning just as they are. We are all at different stages of trust in the Lord, and all of us are in the process of learning how to be carried, learning how to let go of ourselves to let Him be the Master of our souls.

Hi tater
The answer should not be long or complicted.
What does sin, forgiveness and freedom mean to a Christian:
Well; sin is any act or behavior contrary to the teahings of Jesus.

Forgiveness; as a Christian I beleive that God WILL forgive me of my sins, which I confess and serious about not returning to them again.

freedom; that is God's kind and generous gift to mankind. He did not and does not force any one to do anything.

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