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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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I went to the Demo outside the Afghan Embassy yesterday - I got photographed and interviewed and gave my name and said I was an ex-Muslim and wanted to protest against the idea that anyone should be criminalised for simply criticising Islam. You talk about backbone - you have no idea.



GREAT !!!
Especially since we talked about Kambakhsh and Afghanistan lately !
That was a very courageous thing to do, especially when mentioning that you are an apostate...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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btw KF - I went to the Demo outside the Afghan Embassy yesterday - I got photographed and interviewed and gave my name and said I was an ex-Muslim and wanted to protest against the idea that anyone should be criminalised for simply criticising Islam. You talk about backbone - you have no idea.


Another salute to you Hassan. I admire your "backbone" lol. No really I admire you. Has the demonstration had any impact on the media. I haven't found anything on the subject yet.

Peace


Nothing much in the media - sadly.

But here is a picture from Maryam Namazie's blog.

Can you spot me lol

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrbavitTR.../7xU01H1xFBY/s1600-h/IMG_3566.jpg

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.iransecularsociety.com/IMG_3554.JPG

I'm the one holding the placard saying  'Criticising Islam is NOT a crime'

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I can see you handsome devil! Laughing

Well done Hassan! I know understand why you want to do less talking "foruming" and more actioning!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Get some backbone? Thanks yet again for more insults. Perhaps you think this is the Wild West or the OK Corral and that calling me "Yeller" is going to make me draw my pistol. But I really have no time for this childishness.

I don't understand you KF - and you certainly don't understand me (though you think you do).

Tevbak asked if there was some sort of 'history' between us - well there is none that I am aware of. It simply appears that my posts irritate you - though I can't for the life of me see why?

But that's your problem - not mine - and I have better things to do than waste my time on a pointless argument where we simply shout past each other.

Again, my best wishes to you all (thanks for your kind words AB - I will be keeping up my Blog - hope to see you around.)

Hassan.

btw KF - I went to the Demo outside the Afghan Embassy yesterday - I got photographed and interviewed and gave my name and said I was an ex-Muslim and wanted to protest against the idea that anyone should be criminalised for simply criticising Islam. You talk about backbone - you have no idea.


Just for the records, you're very courageous Hassan in my book!

KF does not understand that you still sympathise with some aspects of Islam and Muslim culture.


Of course, I understand that CD still "sympathizes with some aspects of Islam and Muslim culture."  That is precisely what I am challenging!!!  My contention is that until you recognize how evil and irrational that culture is, you cannot escape it.  Until you do, you will never be free from it.  I am tired of the kid gloves approach, and I am only trying to help CD recognize that.  I really like CD, and I am only trying to help.  What I am saying is, get a grip, man, and recognize how convoluted, evil and self destructive Islam really is.  If a poisonious snake were looking you in the eye, would you try to reconcile with it, or would you kill it.  I would do the latter.

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May be I should make it clear that the aim of this forum was never to eradicate Islam or any other faith for that matter. This forum is to encourage people to think, critique and question their thoughts and beliefs, so that they may be set free from ignorant and fearful indoctrination.


That is exactly what I am trying to do.  Islam is "ignorant and fearful indoctrination," and setting oneself free from it involves freeing oneself of the four fears I have already identified.

Convince me I am wrong.  A_B, CD?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello KF

I am going to put on my Muslim Egyptian hat for a minute and show you what we mean.

Before the age of 16 I was convinced that God exists and Islam is a beautiful reality.

I remember Ramadan where all people fasted for 30 days and got close to their God. I remember the charity works by many Muslims and the food provided to the poor people.

I remember a simple man wakes up in the morning to go to work so that he can feed his family and starts the day by saying
"Tawkaltu Ala Allah" - "I depend on Allah" with conviction and full belief.

I remember people standing side by side submitting to one God in harmony and purity.

The problem is many Muslims don't even have a clue with regards to the meaning of many quranic verses or hadith.

Many Muslims just strive to be good in life and never questioned their faith and they wouldn't even hurt a fly!!!

I am not targeting Islam is a wrong indoctrination, I am targeting the actual root cause.

Ignorance and fear in general, the victim being a Muslim and Christian a KKK member or homo-basher!

That's why when we debate Muslims we don't attack their identity as Muslims, we only ask them to question what they have always believed to be true and examine the facts.

The decision is ultimately theirs!

I must say I also understand your point of view, since you were never a Muslim.

May be we need both perspective and keep it real!

Regards KF.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kafir forever wrote:
My contention is that until you recognize how evil and irrational that culture is, you cannot escape it.


I assume that you wanted to write 'religion' but but in a fit, wrote the word 'culture'. Is that a correct observation?

kafir forever wrote:
I really like CD, and I am only trying to help.


If you really like a person, you would never agitate and perturb the person. Instead you would try to be considerate and show you care.

kafir forever wrote:
If a poisonious snake were looking you in the eye, would you try to reconcile with it, or would you kill it.  I would do the latter.


You seem to be a very angry person. From your above remark, I conclude that you are an Indian from the Sub-Continent. Everybody kills the snakes there.  Laughing

Snakes do not plan and carry out premeditated attacks and killings. Had you known human and animal behaviour, you would have known that snakes do not attack anyone intentionally. They attack and defend themselves only when attacked and if anything comes in their way. All they do is to sting. Just let him sting your walking stick. There is no need to kill. Rolling Eyes

During structural inspections of wharf and jetty structures, I come across snakes. I leave them alone and they don't bother me. I don't kill them because they are poisonous snakes. Snakes certainly are poisonous. There is no need to kill a snake.

Thus you really don't have to kill Muslims. Let them live. Just walk away from them and don't cross paths with them. Break the chains of ignorance and fear which is the motto of A_B's website. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmicdancer wrote:
Tvebak wrote:
cosmicdancer wrote:


btw KF - I went to the Demo outside the Afghan Embassy yesterday - I got photographed and interviewed and gave my name and said I was an ex-Muslim and wanted to protest against the idea that anyone should be criminalised for simply criticising Islam. You talk about backbone - you have no idea.


Another salute to you Hassan. I admire your "backbone" lol. No really I admire you. Has the demonstration had any impact on the media. I haven't found anything on the subject yet.

Peace


Nothing much in the media - sadly.

But here is a picture from Maryam Namazie's blog.

Can you spot me lol

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrbavitTR.../7xU01H1xFBY/s1600-h/IMG_3566.jpg

Smile


LOL yes I spot you on both pictures, but it would have helped if you had had a can in your hand, a cap and a blouse with white and red stribes. Where's Waldo (or Wally)?

But to bad that there haven't been much writing about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BMZ wrote:
cosmicdancer wrote:
btw KF - I went to the Demo outside the Afghan Embassy yesterday - I got photographed and interviewed and gave my name and said I was an ex-Muslim and wanted to protest against the idea that anyone should be criminalised for simply criticising Islam. You talk about backbone - you have no idea.


Hello CD,

Quote:
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.


My hat off to you for saying that. I have mentioned about you on other sites, standing boldy to show what you are.

Many people who stand for saying something do not really stand openly to show the conviction they stand for. Ali Sina failed to do that and you did it publicly.

I would leave a site when I notice that most of the posters are presenting nothing but junk and stuff. And I would not leave a site just because of one person.

You need friends and I think you have many here. You should not go.

Salaams
BMZ


You're a good man BMZ! If only all religious people are like you, this forum wouldn't even exist!

I am proud to have you in this forum.


Thank you, A_B.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_Brains wrote:

May be I should make it clear that the aim of this forum was never to eradicate Islam or any other faith for that matter. This forum is to encourage people to think, critique and question their thoughts and beliefs, so that they may be set free from ignorant and fearful indoctrination.


Perfect!

I am with you 100%

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I remember Ramadan where all people fasted for 30 days and got close to their God. I remember the charity works by many Muslims and the food provided to the poor people.

I remember a simple man wakes up in the morning to go to work so that he can feed his family and starts the day by saying
"Tawkaltu Ala Allah" - "I depend on Allah" with conviction and full belief.

I remember people standing side by side submitting to one God in harmony and purity.

The problem is many Muslims don't even have a clue with regards to the meaning of many quranic verses or hadith.

Many Muslims just strive to be good in life and never questioned their faith and they wouldn't even hurt a fly!!!

I am not targeting Islam is a wrong indoctrination, I am targeting the actual root cause.

Ignorance and fear in general, the victim being a Muslim and Christian a KKK member or homo-basher!

That's why when we debate Muslims we don't attack their identity as Muslims, we only ask them to question what they have always believed to be true and examine the facts.

The decision is ultimately theirs!


Well put!

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