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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: AFGHAN EX-MUSLIMS COUNCIL  Reply with quote

If you have seen my thread on the councils pages...

I'm sorry, as a secret "honorary afghan" [ Very Happy ], I'm just VERY exited, so I just have to re-post this great news here !

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I was very pleased to see the idea of a "council of ex-muslims" was spreading, picking up speed and members, from germany to britain...

here I'm pleased to say that I've just stumbled upon the...

Council of Ex-Muslims, AFGHANISTAN

Maybe we could contact the guy and lend him a helping hand !!??

I'm sure its quite hard for him, so lost and lonely, with an AFGHAN version, he's probably getting bombarded by his own people, afghans on the other side of the fence !

Here's what its creator "Ameen" writes...

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Ameen Afghan:

We have found the truth. We have found that Islam is a religion of terrorism, violence and ignorance. The terrorism, violence and ignorance in all muslim world is its proof. Afghanistan has suffered very much of this terrorism, violence and ignorance. If we want progress, prosperity and freedom, we must say goodbye to Islam.



and here's the link

Council of Ex-Muslims, Afghanistan

Looking up his profile, there, I just found out he is a German-Afghan !

Afghans desperately NEED a place like this, for them to know that they are not alone, when apostacizing, leaving this violent and oppressing ideology behind !

And here's what he reports...

What young highschool-students from iraq are saying...

http://pixelisation.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/i-hate-islam/


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“I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us,” said Sara, a high school student in Basra. “Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.”


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Atheer, a 19-year-old from a poor, heavily Shiite neighborhood in southern Baghdad, said: “The religion men are liars. Young people don’t believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore.”


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“I used to love Osama bin Laden,” proclaimed a 24-year-old Iraqi college student. She was referring to how she felt before the war took hold in her native Baghdad. The Sept. 11, 2001, strike at American supremacy was satisfying, and the deaths abstract.

Now, the student recites the familiar complaints: Her college has segregated the security checks; guards told her to stop wearing a revealing skirt; she covers her head for safety.

“Now I hate Islam,” she said, sitting in her family’s unadorned living room in central Baghdad. “Al Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing.”


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‘You Cost Us This’

“In the beginning, they gave their eyes and minds to the clerics; they trusted them,” said Abu Mahmoud, a moderate Sunni cleric in Baghdad, who now works deprogramming religious extremists in American detention. “It’s painful to admit, but it’s changed. People have lost too much. They say to the clerics and the parties: You cost us this.”

“When they behead someone, they say ‘Allahu akbar,’ they read Koranic verse,” said a moderate Shiite sheik from Baghdad, using the phrase for “God is great.”

“The young people, they think that is Islam,” he said. “So Islam is a failure, not only in the students’ minds, but also in the community.”

A professor at Baghdad University’s School of Law, who identified herself only as Bushra, said of her students: “They have changed their views about religion. They started to hate religious men. They make jokes about them because they feel disgusted by them.”


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“After 2003, you couldn’t put your foot into the husseiniya, it was so crowded with worshipers,” said Sayeed Sabah, a Shiite religious leader from Baghdad, referring to a Shiite place of prayer.


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Religion had moved abruptly into the Shiite public space, but often in ways that made educated, religious Iraqis uncomfortable. Militias were offering Koran courses. Titles came cheaply. In Mr. Mahmoud’s neighborhood, a butcher with no knowledge of Islam became the leader of a mosque.


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A moderate Shiite cleric, Sheik Qasim, recalled watching in amazement as a former student, who never earned more than mediocre marks, whizzed by stalled traffic in a long convoy of sport utility vehicles in central Baghdad. He had become a religious leader.

“I thought I would get out of the car, grab him and slap him!” said the sheik. “These people don’t deserve their positions.”

An official for the Ministry of Education in Baghdad, a secular Shiite, described the newfound faith like this: “It was like they wanted to put on a new, stylish outfit.”


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Zane Mohammed, a gangly 19-year-old with an earnest face, watched with curiosity as the first Islamists in his Baghdad neighborhood came to barbershops, tea parlors and carpentry stores before taking over the mosques. They were neither uneducated nor poor, he said, though they focused on those who were.

Then, one morning while waiting for a bus to school, he watched a man walk up to a neighbor, a college professor whose sect Mr. Mohammed did not know, shoot the neighbor at point blank range three times, and walk back to his car as calmly “as if he was leaving a grocery store.”

“Nobody is thinking,” Mr. Mohammed said in an interview in October. “We use our minds just to know what to eat. This is something I am very sad about. We hear things and just believe them.”


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“It was a fight to prove our existence,” said a young Shiite journalist from Sadr City. “We were embracing our existence, not religion.”  


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Muath, a slender, 19-year-old Sunni with distant eyes and hollow cheeks, is typical. He was selling cellphone credits and plastic flowers, struggling to keep his mother and five young siblings afloat, when an insurgent recruiter in western Baghdad, a man in his 30s who is a regular customer, offered him cash last spring to be part of an insurgent group whose motivations were a mix of money and sect.

Muath, the only wage earner in his family, agreed. Suddenly his family could afford to eat meat again, he said in an interview last September.

Indeed, at least part of the religious violence in Baghdad had money at its heart. An officer at the Kadhimiya detention center, where Muath was being held last fall, said recordings of beheadings fetched much higher prices than those of shooting executions in the CD markets, which explains why even nonreligious kidnappers will behead hostages.

“The terrorist loves the money,” said Capt. Omar, a prison worker who did not want to be identified by his full name. “The money has big magic. I give him $10,000 to do small thing. You think he refuse?”

When Muath was arrested last year, the police found two hostages, Shiite brothers, in a safe house that Muath told them about. Photographs showed the men looking wide-eyed into the camera; dark welts covered their bodies.  


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“I used to love Osama bin Laden,” proclaimed a 24-year-old Iraqi college student. She was referring to how she felt before the war took hold in her native Baghdad. The Sept. 11, 2001, strike at American supremacy was satisfying, and the deaths abstract.

Now, the student recites the familiar complaints: Her college has segregated the security checks; guards told her to stop wearing a revealing skirt; she covers her head for safety.

“Now I hate Islam,” she said, sitting in her family’s unadorned living room in central Baghdad. “Al Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing.”


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting HE!

You may want to invite this guy to our forum, so that he can share his experiences.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: AFGHAN EX-MUSLIMS COUNCIL Reply with quote

[quote]Here's what its creator "Ameen" writes...

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Ameen Afghan:

We have found the truth. We have found that Islam is a religion of terrorism, violence and ignorance. The terrorism, violence and ignorance in all muslim world is its proof. Afghanistan has suffered very much of this terrorism, violence and ignorance. If we want progress, prosperity and freedom, we must say goodbye to Islam.


Basically, the Afghans in power, business and seats, are one of the most corrupt and the greediest people in the world. It is basically a country of many war lords, smugglers, poppy growers, who control the average poor Afghan's life, can be bought easily and are at the throats of each other, which is in their genes. Sorry to say this but this is a fact which no Afghans can deny!

Even if the entire Afghanistan became ex-Muslims or Christians, they woud still be the same.

Now ask this German Afghan Ameen, what does this mean and let him explain (in Persian):

Za Afghan keena mee aayad,
Za Afghan heela mee ayaad!

Has anyone of you been to Afghanistan and lived there? The undersigned has.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been, and have "lived" in Afghanistan in various periods...

My first encounter was in 1972 !
When Afghanistan was still being ruled by Zaher Shah, the old and now deceased afghan king...

I have stayed again in Afghanistan [even longer] in 1975, when the "drivers seat" had alrady been snatched from the kings uncle DAUD khan...

Who in the following, created the "Pashtoonistan Issue", attacking "Pakistans soil" - a very young country back then  [only 25 years old] - and questioned the "Durand Line", the partition of Pashtoon [afghan] lands...

He was seeking help in RUSSIA, and had to sell his soul for the help...

But it did not keep him from pushing the issue of "Pashtoonistan", and his proxies did the very same thing as it is happening now, terrorism, attacking pakistani forces on their designated soil, read the news...

The following times [proof available] instigated Pakistans ISI, the secret service, to take "counter measures", and with the help of Americans [opposing Russia], the "Mujaheddin" were created, and "launched" !

Everything else, is just a follow-up of this major fault, in DAUD khans planning and acting-, political abilities...

The Russians came in, causing the Americans to oppose !

Result: we still have the "Taleban" and all the rest we see now !

Of course, I took a short-cut !
Many, many details left aside, here, now...

Ask me for more, and you get a full course through history, and the mess in Afghanistan !



Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I have been in Afghanistan in between too !

And the last time in 2002 !

And I know - personally - some of the highest officials in present Afghanistan, I've stayed in the house/home of the vice-interior-minister, on my last visit, and personally have met and talked to many a commanders, generals, fighters, heroes of this country !

I'm not inflating myself, but HERE you meet my personal conviction !

You may look up my [more or less] afghan homepage...

I am "estragon", Afghans know me well...

http://estragon.100megsfree5.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: AFGHAN EX-MUSLIMS COUNCIL Reply with quote

[quote="BMZ"]
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Here's what its creator "Ameen" writes...

Quote:

Ameen Afghan:

We have found the truth. We have found that Islam is a religion of terrorism, violence and ignorance. The terrorism, violence and ignorance in all muslim world is its proof. Afghanistan has suffered very much of this terrorism, violence and ignorance. If we want progress, prosperity and freedom, we must say goodbye to Islam.


Basically, the Afghans in power, business and seats, are one of the most corrupt and the greediest people in the world. It is basically a country of many war lords, smugglers, poppy growers, who control the average poor Afghan's life, can be bought easily and are at the throats of each other, which is in their genes. Sorry to say this but this is a fact which no Afghans can deny!

Even if the entire Afghanistan became ex-Muslims or Christians, they woud still be the same.

Now ask this German Afghan Ameen, what does this mean and let him explain (in Persian):

Za Afghan keena mee aayad,
Za Afghan heela mee ayaad!

Has anyone of you been to Afghanistan and lived there? The undersigned has.

BMZ

The terrorism, violence and ignorance in all muslim world is its proof.

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