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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:33 am    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?  Reply with quote

David wrote:
BMZ wrote:
David wrote:


Who decides in Islam when a Muslims should fight back and under what circumstances?


The government and/or the Muslims, if the government has collapsed or has been brutally and viciously forced to collapse, as in the case of Iraq.


I asked who decides in ISLAM, meaning who speaks for the Quran and Islamic jurisprudence?

Iraq has a government.  They want peace.  It is the Sunnis and the Shias  who are fighting each other for control of the country and they are fighting the government of Iraq.  Iran has a hand in this too by supplying weapons.


Al-Azhar of Egypt and a Consultation Council of Muslim Scholars and Ulemas of various Muslim countries in Saudi Arabia. There is no Clergy or Pope-like figure in Islam.

Iraq has a government? You call that a government? You must be kidding as you guys listen to the US media circus and their ridiculous analysts, with their ridiculous opinions. I think you mean a government under occupation. You can call it a government when you are out of Iraq. Please don't insult the intelligence of Iraqis. lol!

With your military in Iraq, can there be peace? Think hard.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

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ronyvo wrote:
 

ronyvo wrote:
David asks ligtimate questions. Whe don't you answere them.
Or at least, be couragous and say I don't know.


Silly and mischieviously designed questions do not fall under the category of intelligent questions.

BMZ


My questions were not meant to be mischievious.  They stem from a conversation I am having with some non-Muslims who don't know much about Islam.

I thought I could get some intelligent answers on this forum.

I'd rather you say, "I don't know" than to guess or avoid answering my questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
  Wrong again, BMZ.
What do you call this?:Jesus said, “you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22


Let me tell you what is all wrong about this Jesus stuff. Jesus did not bring anything new or any new commandments. Moses did. Jesus was just a teacher or call him  a master. All Jesus did was to explain what the Commandments truly meant.

The problem with Chrsitianity is that it claims patent on simple things of life, which everyone knew before and without Jesus and it thinks as if the Jews did not love their neighbours at all and knew nothing at all about loving the neighbour.

This is really ridiculous. The Chinese, the eskimos, the Polynesians, Aboriginees and the Hindus knew about loving their neighbours well before the arrival of even Abraham. There was nothing to be commanded by Jesus as Israel did not need any commandments from him. Commandments had already been delivered by the LORD Almighty Allah to them via Moses.

Please explain "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” in your own words and enlighten me how do all the Law and the Prophets hang on the two only?
Laughing


ronyvo wrote:
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32


What do you understand from above? Not to divorce a wife, is it? Explain in your own words and I will explain the above in mine.

Are you aware that many Catholic couples just part away and live with their new loves, without the blessings of the church and a new holy matrimony, just because the Church does not allow them divorce? Jesus himself had declared that not an iota of the laws would be changed. There were not just ten laws.  



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“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44


Jesus himself was rude and arrogant. He was ruthless and hated the Jewish high priest, Pharisees and the Sadducees. He hated them to the extent that he called them snakes and brood of vipers and sent curses and woes upon woes. Also he cursed the Temple of God. Would a man of love and one who preached love, do that kind of thing?  

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27


The above was nothing wonderful and nothing new, as people even five thousand years before him had said the same. Perhaps you learnt that only from the New T.  Laughing

ronyvo wrote:
Also, consider this statement:
The holy book of a religion is the ONLY base to judge a religion and not those who break its commandments.


If that is your reasoning, please tear apart the Old Testament from the Christian Bible and throw it away. You should not have it all attached to the forefront of the New T. lol!

ronyvo wrote:
David asks ligtimate questions. Whe don't you answere them.
Or at least, be couragous and say I don't know.


Silly and mischieviously designed questions do not fall under the category of intelligent questions.

BMZ
[/quote]
It is a waste of time to reply to your comments which are untrue, unfounded and  mean:
1- You insult Jesus, who is considered a prophet in your Koran!!!!
2- Read the entire Old Testament in orderr to grasp the connection to the New Testament.
Don't just listen to your ignorant hateful imams.
OK. I think that it is a lot to ask of you. I can see that you are not a deep careful reader. Just read the Book of Isaiah. Even, you will not miss the numerous prophesies about Jesus, which was made about ONE thousand years before Christ.
3- Yes, Jesus said, "I did not come to destry the law,  I came to fulfil the law."
Read again the verses I quoted to you, when He said, ".... you've heard .....but I say......"
4- You STIII do not understand what I meant by "the holy book is the only base...."
It is, simply, means PEOPLE VS THE BOOK. Is it clear now?!
So, when a Catholic or any Christian divorces his wife and lives wih another woman, HE IS BREAKING THE CHRISTIAN COMMANDMENTS, and if  he does not repent, he is NO MORE A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. That means he is not Christian, sadely, like the majority of today's Christians.
The same like a Muslim who takes a non-Muslim as friend he is considered not a follower of Mohammad. So, he is not considered Muslim. And that, ironically, goes to those Mulsims who do not kill the infidels...etc. Read your Koran. I did.
5- As for your ridicoulous attack on the teachings of love, yes, there was love before, but Jesus went a step higher than the OT.  

Now, if you are willing to discuss intellectually, I'll be gald to answer, but it is obvious from you writings you have no intention to do that, so goodbye.
And please, don't use the islamic tactic of saying 'he is not capable of answering so he quit."
I used to discuss the issue with Islam mostly with Muslims for over 5 years.
When they are pushed in the corner they take me and any apologist to viscius circles. And when I don't have the time for such childich discussions I stop answering they either a) attack Christianity or b) declare win by saying he quit.

Peace.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

ronyvo wrote:
 It is a waste of time to reply to your comments which are untrue, unfounded and  mean:
1- You insult Jesus, who is considered a prophet in your Koran!!!!


You should not consider that an insult. That is how the gospels portray him.

ronyvo wrote:
2- Read the entire Old Testament in orderr to grasp the connection to the New Testament.


There is no connection at all. The God of the OT is One Almighty God. And according to the New Testament, the God becomes a trinity of three. What conncetion can you show me between the two and what relevance do you see there?

ronyvo wrote:
Don't just listen to your ignorant hateful imams.


I don't. In fact, I grill Muslims and Imams, if they talk any nonsense. Likewise, I grill the Christians and Christianity for the nonsense presented.

ronyvo wrote:
OK. I think that it is a lot to ask of you. I can see that you are not a deep careful reader. Just read the Book of Isaiah. Even, you will not miss the numerous prophesies about Jesus, which was made about ONE thousand years before Christ.


I have read and studied the Jewish Holy Scriptures and the Christian Bible. That is why I am able to comment and criticise, as I explain and quote from the Bible. The Jewish Holy Scriptures were not written or made for Jesus. Jesus is simply not there. You can't find him. Just saying that this was for him and that one was for him, does not prove anything.  

ronyvo wrote:
3- Yes, Jesus said, "I did not come to destroy the law,  I came to fulfil the law."
Read again the verses I quoted to you, when He said, ".... you've heard .....but I say......"
4- You STIII do not understand what I meant by "the holy book is the only base...."
It is, simply, means PEOPLE VS THE BOOK. Is it clear now?!
So, when a Catholic or any Christian divorces his wife and lives wih another woman, HE IS BREAKING THE CHRISTIAN COMMANDMENTS, and if  he does not repent, he is NO MORE A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST. That means he is not Christian, sadely, like the majority of today's Christians.


So how did he fulfill the Law of Divorce? By telling people not to divorce, is it? Do you think he seriously forbade divorce? Is that what he meant when he said that? Please read again and come back to me if you want to discuss that.

ronyvo wrote:
The same like a Muslim who takes a non-Muslim as friend he is considered not a follower of Mohammad. So, he is not considered Muslim. And that, ironically, goes to those Mulsims who do not kill the infidels...etc. Read your Koran. I did.


Where did you learn that? Almost all of my friends are non-Muslims and most of my Muslim friends' friends are also non-Muslims. Do you want me to seriously believe that you have read Qur'aan and understood it?  Very Happy

ronyvo wrote:
5- As for your ridicoulous attack on the teachings of love, yes, there was love before, but Jesus went a step higher than the OT.


How higher and in what way? Wasn't that the love responsible for the killing, slaughtering and burning of the Jews during the darkest history of Christianity? What love was shown to them by people who claimed to be full of love taught by the man?  

ronyvo wrote:
Now, if you are willing to discuss intellectually, I'll be glad to answer, but it is obvious from you writings you have no intention to do that, so goodbye.
And please, don't use the islamic tactic of saying 'he is not capable of answering so he quit."
I used to discuss the issue with Islam mostly with Muslims for over 5 years.
When they are pushed in the corner they take me and any apologist to viscius circles. And when I don't have the time for such childich discussions I stop answering they either a) attack Christianity or b) declare win by saying he quit.

Peace.


No, I don't do any of that.

BMZ

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

[quote="David"]
BMZ wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
 

ronyvo wrote:
David asks ligtimate questions. Whe don't you answere them.
Or at least, be couragous and say I don't know.


Silly and mischieviously designed questions do not fall under the category of intelligent questions.

BMZ


My questions were not meant to be mischievious.  They stem from a conversation I am having with some non-Muslims who don't know much about Islam.

I thought I could get some intelligent answers on this forum.

I'd rather you say, "I don't know" than to guess or avoid answering my questions.

Dear David
Muslims do not say "I don't know".

BMZ is a typical trained Muslim to take you in empty circles.
You see how he answers my questions. NOTHINGS.
He claimes that he read the OT and NT.
Well, he might have, but that shows even a greater lack of open mind.

Most ex-Muslims I know, have left Islam after reading the Bible.

I went through this kind of 'so called' discussions with many Muslims.

I stop after I sense the extreme stuborness.
It is a gross waste of time.

I'll send him a couple of my early writings and that is it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

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                       THE KORAN AND HADITH
The following surahs (verses) are being COPIED from the Noble Qur’an.
The translators are: Dr. Muhammad Taqu-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Former Professor of Islamic Faith and teachings Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah AND Dr.Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Formerly Director, University Hospital Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah.
It was printed by King Fahd Complex For The Printing of The Holy Qur’an, at Madinah, K.S.A.

“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57
“The best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and his apostle, is to participate in Jihad and Allah’s cause.” 1:25
”No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel.” 9:50
“Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse.” 7:30
“After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women”. 7:33

I have been accused of bigotry and hate towards Muslims.
As I said many times I do not hate Muslims or any one, I despise Islam for what it teaches.
As a proof, I cited surahs (verses) from the Koran. I did NOT add one word of mine, and NO translation of mine.
LET THE READERS BEWARE.




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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
 It is a waste of time to reply to your comments which are untrue, unfounded and  mean:
1- You insult Jesus, who is considered a prophet in your Koran!!!!


You should not consider that an insult. That is how the gospels portray him.
Does the Koran consider Jesus a prophet or not?
When yous ay something like that, give quotes with references.
Here is something you need to learn:

                                                Trinity and Monotheism
The first principle of the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one, true, eternal, living Being who is God by nature and Maker of heaven and earth.
Trinitarians do not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Sprit are three separate gods.
“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5)
The evidence is so overwhelming that even the demons understand that there is only one God (James 2:19). Yet, such cults as the Mormons teach that there are billions of gods.
Mohammad had the mistaken idea that the Christians worship three gods-the Father, the Mother and the Son (surah 5:73). He assumed that when Christians referred to God as “the Father”, this meant that the father was an exalted male deity who had a divine consort named Miriam. They had sexual intercourse and she conceived and gave birth to a son called Jesus. WHAT NONSENSE.
Given the pagan background of Mohammad, he erroneously assumed that the Trinity was composed of a male and female deity and that Jesus was the fruit of their sexual intercourse. What else one can expect from a man with his way of life and low level of intelligence?!
Yet the Koran states, “She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!”-and it is.” Surah 3:47
Christians do not believe that God the Father is a male deity. They do not believe that Mary was his female consort.
He was supernaturally conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit:
Luke 1:31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32”He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His Father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
Christians believe: The Father (God), His Word (His Mind and Wisdom) and His Spirit (His soul) are three in One. One cannot imagine a Mighty God who created the earth and heaven and everything in them, has no mind or no soul. Christians believe in a Live God (has Spirit) and has a Mind with which He can create and control His creation.
He took flesh. He came in flesh.1 John 4:2
He took flesh from the Virgin Mary. He did not come from the seed of man. Mat 1:20 & Luke 1:34
It is a union with His Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
Jesus IS GOD, the only God.
That is what Christians believe for over 2000 years, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS SAY.

The union between the Word and the flesh, or the union between the Divine nature and the human body, is a real union that cannot be separated.
The rod of iron will glow if it is left in fire for a certain time, and the iron could burn. The iron neither lost its nature nor the fire. The iron is a solid mass with specific volume, shape and weight . The fire keeps its nature of glowing and burning. You cannot end the union between iron and fire as long as the iron is hot.
The Divine nature and the human body of Jesus Christ are united in the hypostasis of the Son of God. The new nature combines the properties of the Divine nature and the human flesh.
This shows another reason for the Divine incarnation as not only to dwell among us because of His love and mercy, but to partake of the lives of man because of His Divine love and kindness.
The second reason is the redemption and the salvation of man through accepting death in His flesh instead of man. He redeemed man from eternal punishment as man disobeyed the commandment. This shows the justice of God as well as His love.








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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

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uot;]The same like a Muslim who takes a non-Muslim as friend he is considered not a follower of Mohammad. So, he is not considered Muslim. And that, ironically, goes to those Mulsims who do not kill the infidels...etc. Read your Koran. I did.


Where did you learn that? Almost all of my friends are non-Muslims and most of my Muslim friends' friends are also non-Muslims. Do you want me to seriously believe that you have read Qur'aan and understood it?  Very Happy



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You want to tell me there is no such instructos in the Koran. And that after I quted to you the surah with reference?!!!!

Besides, yes there are Muslims who take Christians as "friends". I have few myself.
But, consider 2 things:
1- There are those Muslims who do not know anything about their Koran  FACT.
2- Deception in Islam:The Muslim activists are now (especially after 9/11) adopting:
1- change of identity
They never mention the Islamic code of punishment (Sharia).
They stress that they believe in Moses and Jesus. No longer call Jews “Zionists”,  or Christians “Crusaders”
They use name like Paul John. Names like Mohammad and Mustafa were too strong to swallow, they thought.
They use the term “Sunday School” in place of “Friday Class”.
They end their speeches with the Christian expression “may God bless you”.
The American flag cover the background of their TV program set., wile in their daily ritual in Iran and elsewhere burn the flag and call America “The great Satan”.

2- Change vocabulary
They are using now words like Love, Grace, Salvation, justification and sanctification. Completely strange to Islamic vocabulary.
They change Koranic translation in order to hide some of Islam’s harsh teachings.

3- Change of way of life
Instead of living in isolation from society, their new strategy lie in trying to be accepted . They are now becoming active in partisan functions in order to have a say in party platforms. They conduct letter campaigns to members of congress to influence legislation. The run for public offices in hope of reaching a position of authority.
“And they (disbelievers) plotted to kill Isa (Jesus), and Allah plotted too. And Allah is the best of those who plot.” Surah 3:54
In Arabic “chir el makereen”.
“And (remember) when the disbelievers plotted against you (O Muhammad) to imprison , or to kill you, or to get you out  (from your home, I.e. Makkah); they were plotting and Allah too was plotting,  and Allah is the best of those who plot.” Surah 8:30

The Islamic deception has no limits.
It is up to us to stop it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? Reply with quote

ronyvo wrote:
BMZ wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
 It is a waste of time to reply to your comments which are untrue, unfounded and  mean:
1- You insult Jesus, who is considered a prophet in your Koran!!!!


You should not consider that an insult. That is how the gospels portray him.
Does the Koran consider Jesus a prophet or not?
When yous ay something like that, give quotes with references.
Here is something you need to learn:

                                                Trinity and Monotheism
The first principle of the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one, true, eternal, living Being who is God by nature and Maker of heaven and earth.
Trinitarians do not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Sprit are three separate gods.
“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5)
The evidence is so overwhelming that even the demons understand that there is only one God (James 2:19). Yet, such cults as the Mormons teach that there are billions of gods.
Mohammad had the mistaken idea that the Christians worship three gods-the Father, the Mother and the Son (surah 5:73). He assumed that when Christians referred to God as “the Father”, this meant that the father was an exalted male deity who had a divine consort named Miriam. They had sexual intercourse and she conceived and gave birth to a son called Jesus. WHAT NONSENSE.
Given the pagan background of Mohammad, he erroneously assumed that the Trinity was composed of a male and female deity and that Jesus was the fruit of their sexual intercourse. What else one can expect from a man with his way of life and low level of intelligence?!
Yet the Koran states, “She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!”-and it is.” Surah 3:47
Christians do not believe that God the Father is a male deity. They do not believe that Mary was his female consort.
He was supernaturally conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit:
Luke 1:31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32”He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His Father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
Christians believe: The Father (God), His Word (His Mind and Wisdom) and His Spirit (His soul) are three in One. One cannot imagine a Mighty God who created the earth and heaven and everything in them, has no mind or no soul. Christians believe in a Live God (has Spirit) and has a Mind with which He can create and control His creation.
He took flesh. He came in flesh.1 John 4:2
He took flesh from the Virgin Mary. He did not come from the seed of man. Mat 1:20 & Luke 1:34
It is a union with His Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
Jesus IS GOD, the only God.
That is what Christians believe for over 2000 years, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS SAY.

The union between the Word and the flesh, or the union between the Divine nature and the human body, is a real union that cannot be separated.
The rod of iron will glow if it is left in fire for a certain time, and the iron could burn. The iron neither lost its nature nor the fire. The iron is a solid mass with specific volume, shape and weight . The fire keeps its nature of glowing and burning. You cannot end the union between iron and fire as long as the iron is hot.
The Divine nature and the human body of Jesus Christ are united in the hypostasis of the Son of God. The new nature combines the properties of the Divine nature and the human flesh.
This shows another reason for the Divine incarnation as not only to dwell among us because of His love and mercy, but to partake of the lives of man because of His Divine love and kindness.
The second reason is the redemption and the salvation of man through accepting death in His flesh instead of man. He redeemed man from eternal punishment as man disobeyed the commandment. This shows the justice of God as well as His love.








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Can you please edit and remove my name from the bottom of your post, please?  lol! I did not write that Christian thingy. Laughing

To me everyone is a word or Word of God. God's religion is based on what prophets taught, not on men who came up with fictional theories like trinity, hypostatic union, incarnation, etc., for which there has been zero precedence.

Those dogmas are pure speculations and please remember Jesus did not speculate. You can reject straight away anything what the master did not teach.

The only alternative available for Chrsitianity, is to say that God left the heavenly Kingdom, went into the womb of a woman, was born like any human, lived upto 33, killed himself, got up and went back into heavens. This would remove the need for a son, unbelieveable dogmas and doctrines.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said...
Maybe there's a whole football-team of gods around ?

So, let there be football !


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