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Continuing the duscussion with A_B (Slavery)

 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Continuing the duscussion with A_B (Slavery)  Reply with quote

Salam A_B

I posted this comment to you on FFI but one of the Bias and corrupt Ms of FFI (I believe yekee) have delted it like a coward, please reply to me in here, then we continue our debate in here, cheers:

Salam again A_B

We are still in the subject of slavery, I just did some search in the OT and the NT and came with the following horrible teachings regarding slavery, I am really puzzled that a smart person like you uses such subject of slavery to defame the religion of Islam despite that the Quran clearly honors the salves by forcing freeing them as well, in the story of Yusuf we saw clearly how any decent human should give the slaves an honorable place, YET you turn a blind eye on the other two religions teaching regarding the same subject, this is not an ad homenium, this is to exppose the goons who make the black white and the white black, letís look at the balck teachings of the OT regarding slaves:  

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  

(Leviticus 25:44-46)

-> See mate how clear the teaching of the OT in encouraging slavery: However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. , as well: You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. , it looks like a law to enforce slavery over any foreigner and his family in their land,, then the OT goes on describing slavery in the worst terms ever: You may treat them as your property, , hahaha, a human is a property, what a crap of teaching by the OT, yet it does not stop here, it goes on and on to degrade the salves: passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. , come on, you cannot get worse than this, pal, yet it confirms that because they are not Jews (foreigners) they should be treated like that, while the Jews should never be treated like that: You may treat your slaves like this, but the slaves from Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. , you can not deny that teaching also encourages racism, right?

How can the above horrible teachings be even compared with the Quran noble teachings regarding the slaves?

The OT teachings regarding slavery continues, letís see how the OT orders to free a slave:

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.

(Exodus 21:2-6)
-> The OT racism continues; it seems like only Jew slaves are the ones to be freed, yet after abusing the shit out of him for 6 years (a minimum sentence): If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. , it also seems that if such Jew slave wants to be free before the 6 years, he will owe his master some money, however if he is not single before being bought as a slave but married during those first years, then he must be held as a slave for those 6 years: If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year., but if was married, it seems that his wife must be a slave with him too: But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him., i.e. his wife will be freed with him on the seventh year, i.e. his wife was enslaved with him, how about his children then?, well the OT is so high on slavery that it even teaches us what we should do with the children of the slaves, I can easily guess what is about to be taught: If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. , HOLY NONSENSE, dear A_B, what rubbish of teaching would that be exactly? Because, his master offered him (the slave) a wife (another slave), then the slave can only be freed on the seventh year but his wife and children must stay slaves to the master, and now comes the great teaching of slavery by the OT, it shows us how the god is endorsing it: But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God. , which in this case (after being endorsed by god) the slave, his wife and his children will never be freed: Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.

Now do you really think that the slave deceleration of loving his master, is really motivated by love to his master?, most likely not, it sounds like being more motivated by his love to his wife and children after seeing that they will be apart by freeing him while keeping his wife and children slaves forever, the whole family is now enslaved forever.

And more of such low teachings which only implies human corruption to server their own low desires:

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  

(Exodus 21:7-11)
-> We have seen how the OT deals with the male slaves, letís see how the OT deals with the female slaves: When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are., I must ask, why the fuk is that? I may however have an accurate guess: If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. , exactly as I fukin guessed, the women slaves must be kept longer to fulfil their masters lusty and sexual desires, and they must please them but if not, then she should be sold to another client, you know, I want my fukin money back, a real Jew, I have to say, and certainly she may please another man, possibly the whole town will try her sexually first until she meets her dream master, I wonder, what they should do to her if she failed to please any master in town, what do you reckon A_B?, Now the OT goes into a very technical issue, a Jew selling his female slave because she did not please him, should only sell it to another Jew: But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. , SOUNDS LIKE PIMPING I TELL YOU, here you have it boys and girls, the OT does not only encourages slavery, rather racism, slavery and pimping.

And finally we read one possible great teaching from OT regarding the women slaves: And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.,   If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife., that is polygamy, so here you have it boys and girls, the OT clearly supports polygamy, the OT also commands that such slave must be free if not treated equally with the master other wife, which is also a great teaching I have to say: If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. , However can you see how the OT is high on payment when it comes to freeing the slaves?, We do not see as such in the noble Quran

The OT goes into great details to what should be done when a master torture a slave so hard that the slave dies:
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  

(Exodus 21:20-21)
-> Here is a slave is being tortured by a ROD: When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, , what do you think the next message should be, well, it is bloody disgusting: he shall be punished , well, why not killed? Isnít a soul for a soul?, well possibly because the deceased is a low grade human (slave) the soul for a soul command should be executed. What should happen if after such beating the slave survived: If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. , does this sounds fair to you?

Our Christian friends will quickly wash their hands free of the above horrible teachings that encourage, slavery, pimping and racism, by saying: sorry this is the OT, we do not follow the OT

I say, fine, letís look the Christians NT great teachings of slavery, here is slavery is clearly encouraged:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  

(Ephesians 6:5)
-> See what the slaves are commanded to do to their masters: Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ

This example from the Christians NT should show how slavery is encouraged by the god of the NT:

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  

(1 Timothy 6:1-2)
-> See: Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed., HOW CLEAR THAT THE NT ENCOURAGES SLAVERY. Have the Quran ever done  as such? Now the hypocrites of FFI are exposed one after another

-> The Christians NT did what the Jews OT did, not only encouraging slavery, but slavery and racism: If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. , which means that if your master is not Christian, then be disrespectful to him.

-> You argued the slavery is not working for someone, look at the NT commands to the Christian slaves: You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts., i.e. do nopot work hard for and master that is not a Christian.

-> Then the final blow to the hypocrite Christians: Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them., I.E. Slavery is encouraged by the god of the NT

The Christians NT took te subject of slavery to a new dimension, in the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they were ignorant and didn't know that they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."  

(Luke 12:47-48)
-> See: The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.

Here you have boys and girls of FFI, if I give you a number out of 10 in Hypocrisy and Confusion, the following should be your results:

A) Hypocrisy: 10/10
B) Confusion: 10/10



Ironically, they think that such crap and horrible teaching by their man made and corrupt NT and OT, are found in the Noble Quran

What do you think A_B?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will chat again more tomorrow Ahmed.

I am really disappointed with what happened there. Pretty awful really.

Good night.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salaams, Ahmed & A_B

Once a good topic is discussed at FFI, the moderator steps in when any FFI member begins to lose.

It is their standard practice and I have experienced the same. I will definitely go there and read through my SingTel internet Service Provider, which is not blocked there.

A_B,

Is it alright to copy and paste some articles here for discussions?

Please let me know. I have asked many on other sites to come and argue here but it seems those polemic posters are petrified.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Christians NT took te subject of slavery to a new dimension, in the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they were ignorant and didn't know that they were doing anything wrong.


The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."  


(Luke 12:47-4Cool

-> See:
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.


As far as I know there's no place in the NT where Jesus speaks positive of slavery. And the part above is a parable, as is stated in the beginning. What it however display is the sardistic notion of Jesus' god Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear all,

I have opened a new topic at the Council of Ex-Muslims.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3896.0

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
Dear all,

I have opened a new topic at the Council of Ex-Muslims.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3896.0

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Thanks BMZ, I am on to it!


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