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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
ronyvo wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!



That's right, we are the ones who Allah taught us the Quran so we can teach it to those who are humble, not the arrogant


ronyvo wrote:
What do you mean, Ahmed?
Humble in Islam? Please.


What I meant is clear that many of those who are professional in Arabic and learnt the Quran back to front have a responsibility to convey the right message to others


ronyvo wrote:
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.


Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it


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“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29  


I have replied to the whole sura and exposed your confusion, stop acting like a parrot

ronyvo wrote:
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193                                
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57


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ronyvo wrote:
HOW CAN ANY ONE BE HUMBLE WITH SUCH TEACHINGS????


You do not understand the teaching, this is because you have been manipulated by others, I have no time to waste with a confused sole like you

I have news for you, Ahmed.

1- I was FORCED to study the Koran, hadiths and islamic history IN ARABIC by imams (shieks) from Al-Azhar University in Egypt.
So, I have NOT been manipulated by any one.
May be you?

2- I am, definitly, not a confused soull. I am saying it from personal experience with Islam for 25 years as a Christian and that was hell on earth, and from learning (see above).

3- You say "as discussed".
Sorray, but you did not discuss anything.
Your explanation is "Well, if the God wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers then that is between you and Him, I have no problem with that nor that I disgree with it".
a) Thank God that Allah is NOT my God. So I don't deal with him.
b) Allah, as you say, wants to inflict terror in the hearts of the unbelievers, that is OK with you, that makes you a terrorist.
4) MY God is a God of love and peace:


Jesus said, “you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32
“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

I invite you to get out of the dark and come to the LIGHT, like millions of Muslims did and are doing.

Peace


Well this confirms your manipulations, because Al Azhar Ulmaaa are the most manipulated manipulatpors ever when it comes to religion, bad luck, you have been done

Salam

WOW. This is a great reply.

I really thought that you are one of those Muslims who is after the TRUTH and not just is brainswashed.
What do you mean by manipulated any way? Are those surahs, which I have quoted for you from the Koran  and which are being COPIED from the Noble Qur’an.
The translators are: Dr. Muhammad Taqu-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Former Professor of Islamic Faith and teachings Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah AND Dr.Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Formerly Director, University Hospital Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah.
It was printed by King Fahd Complex For The Printing of The Holy Qur’an, at Madinah, K.S.A. are there or not? Or are they from my imagination? I have to admit that my wildest imagination is no match to Mohammad's.

Peace



Fuk Alazhar Ulmaa, however you are acting really dumb, all the verses you posted, I have replied to it many times before and certainly you are confused and do not understand what the verses are talking about, however I really do not have time to dialogue with you, no offence though, I'm just having a bad time due to the economy crunch every where

cheers
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
Hah! What a load of twaddle. People only maintain this due to the numerous contradictions in the Qur’an and their inability to solve them without appealing to the notion that you have to have studied ‘Arabi intensely for decades before you can glean the true meaning of the Qur’an. Yet these same people seem to know the ‘true’ meaning of the Qur’an!

I studied Arabic and lived in arabic country for over 25 years.
I studies the Koran, of course, in Arabic.
I can glean the true meaning of the Koran. My teachers were imams from al-Azhar university. This is the most prestegious and authorotative Islamic university in the world.
Therefore, I know the true meaning of the Koran.

As I've written many times and everywhere that the Koran is full of contradictions and its teachings are the most violent and wicked.

I can prove that by JUST citing surahs from the Koran. If you wish that I do that, please let me know.

Peace.

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