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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: the Holy Trinity and Islam  Reply with quote

THE TRINITY AND ISLAM
If one is seriously searching for his/her salvation, one must first establish a faith in unseen unlimited Power. The Jews, Christians and Muslims call Him God.
God, a Mighty Power, who is eternal, has unlimited existence, and posses powers beyond the limited Human mind.
“I am the Lord and there is none else.” Isa. 45-18b
“There is none like Thee, O Lord. Jer. 10-:6…etc
The Jews believe in God who will come to earth (the Messiah) to save their souls. They are still waiting, even though ALL prophesies, in the Old Testament have been fulfilled to the smallest detail.
Christians believe that the Messiah (The Lord Jesus Christ), the only true God has fulfilled those prophesies. The 3rd person (the Holy Person) is also God.
“that they may know Thee, the only true God.” John 17:3
Muslims believe in such a power called Allah.
Islam is an easy religion. One has to follow its 5 simple pillars and he/she is on the way to paradise.
What makes Christianity harder than Islam is the misunderstanding of the Holy Trinity.
First, one must believe that the mighty God who created earth and heaven and all what there are in them, who created the Human body with its very complicated systems, can do just anything.
So, it is not hard for that God to incarnate His Word in the flesh and come down to earth.
The Koran stated wrongly, in surah 5:116 that Christians worship three gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary) and the Son (Jesus). I don’t know where Mohammad got this idea from! Christians DO NOT worship the Virgin Mary.
The Koran states: “Behold! The angel said: “O Mary! Allah has chosen you and purified you-chosen you above the women of all nations.”
Also, “we gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (signs) and strenghthened him with the Holy Spirit.” 2:87
“And in their footsteps we sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel therein was guidance and light” 5:46
But in surah 5:73-75: “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three.”
Orthodox Christianity teaches that God is ONE substance, and three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holly Spirit.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… and the Word became flesh and dwell among us.” John 1:1,14
Trying to clarify that lets us take the sun. It radiates rays (light), and heat. Three elements in one. One cannot separate the sun from the light or the heat.
There are many other illustrations to help clarifying the Trinity.
The Christian Creed starts with: ”Truly, we believe in One God…”
Christians make the sign of the Cross saying: “In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holly Ghost, ONE God, Amen.” Notice in the name not names.
Not because of the misunderstanding of Mohammad, gave him the authority to determine, change and establish what the Christians believe in.
A heretical sect of Christianity, the Choloridians, did teach such doctrine, and Mohammad could have encountered them in Arabia. For whatever reason, the Koran badly misrepresents Christian teachings.
But NOW we are in a complete different era. Era of intelligence and increasing  knowledge which could help at least the Muslim scholars to realize and understand the mistakes in the Koran.
Because Muslims do not recognize the Holy Spirit, they cannot accept the Lordship and deity of Jesus:
“No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.” 1 Corinthians 12:3
Islam looks upon the Holy Spirit as an angel. The Koran states that God has sent to Mary His Spirit (the Angel Gabriel):
“Say the Holy Spirit (the Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth”. Surah 16-102
The Koran states that Jesus was born unnaturally and performed many miracles including creation, but He did not die and was risen.  
God is always referred to as “one” God in both the Old Testament and New (Deut 6-45, Isa. 44: 6-8 & 45:21-23; Cor. 8:5-6…)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: the Holy Trinity and Islam Reply with quote

ronyvo wrote:
THE TRINITY AND ISLAM
If one is seriously searching for his/her salvation, one must first establish a faith in unseen unlimited Power.

Non Sequitur? The rest of the article is okay.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: the Holy Trinity and Islam Reply with quote

ronyvo wrote:
but He did not die and was risen.  
God is always referred to as “one” God in both the Old Testament and New (Deut 6-45, Isa. 44: 6-8 & 45:21-23; Cor. 8:5-6…)


the quran says Jesus died (twice) you ignorant dumb bum
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: the Holy Trinity and Islam Reply with quote

The trinity is just one of many clever counterfeits devised by Satan the devil to deceive humanity. Jesus had warned earlier of fasle prophets and frauds. I must say that even the liar and the self-loathing sinner Paul also did not talk or mentioned a word about that.

The Christian Scripture does not support trinity and a triune God. Trinity was not taught by Jesus, hence one, even a Christian, can discard it as irrelevant. Trinity is immoral and unholy talk about God.

By the way, unknown to the other three gospel writers and Paul+Disciples, only John in his own gospel story, wrote the opening line "In the beginning......." and so on.

When was the Holy Spirit born or created and who created it, Jesus or God?  Laughing John forgot to mention that. Thus in the beginning were two and we would like to know when did the third come?

Do not copy and paste long stories. Just present evidence in your own words, if you have any.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: the Holy Trinity and Islam Reply with quote

BMZ wrote:
The trinity is just one of many clever counterfeits devised by Satan the devil to deceive humanity. Jesus had warned earlier of fasle prophets and frauds. I must say that even the liar and the self-loathing sinner Paul also did not talk or mentioned a word about that.

The Christian Scripture does not support trinity and a triune God. Trinity was not taught by Jesus, hence one, even a Christian, can discard it as irrelevant. Trinity is immoral and unholy talk about God.

By the way, unknown to the other three gospel writers and Paul+Disciples, only John in his own gospel story, wrote the opening line "In the beginning......." and so on.

When was the Holy Spirit born or created and who created it, Jesus or God?  Laughing John forgot to mention that. Thus in the beginning were two and we would like to know when did the third come?

Do not copy and paste long stories. Just present evidence in your own words, if you have any.

CheersThe first principle of the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one, true, eternal, living Being who is God by nature and Maker of heaven and earth.
Trinitarians do not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Sprit are three separate gods.
“I am the Lord and there none else.” (Isa.45:18b)
“There is one God.” (1Tim.2:5)
The evidence is so overwhelming that even the demons understand that there is only one God (James 2:19). Yet, such cults as the Mormons teach that there are billions of gods.
Mohammad had the mistaken idea that the Christians worship three gods-the Father, the Mother and the Son (surah 5:73). He assumed that when Christians referred to God as “the Father”, this meant that the father was an exalted male deity who had a divine consort named Miriam. They had sexual intercourse and she conceived and gave birth to a son called Jesus. WHAT NONSENSE.
Given the pagan background of Mohammad, he erroneously assumed that the Trinity was composed of a male and female deity and that Jesus was the fruit of their sexual intercourse. What else one can expect from a man with his way of life and low level of intelligence?!
Yet the Koran states, “She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: “So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!”-and it is.” Surah 3:47
Christians do not believe that God the Father is a male deity. They do not believe that Mary was his female consort.
He was supernaturally conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit:
Luke 1:31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32”He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His Father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
Christians believe: The Father (God), His Word (His Mind and Wisdom) and His Spirit (His soul) are three in One. One cannot imagine a Mighty God who created the earth and heaven and everything in them, has no mind or no soul. Christians believe in a Live God (has Spirit) and has a Mind with which He can create and control His creation.
He took flesh. He came in flesh.1 John 4:2
He took flesh from the Virgin Mary. He did not come from the seed of man. Mat 1:20 & Luke 1:34
It is a union with His Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
Jesus IS GOD, the only God.
That is what Christians believe for over 2000 years, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS SAY.

The union between the Word and the flesh, or the union between the Divine nature and the human body, is a real union that cannot be separated.
The rod of iron will glow if it is left in fire for a certain time, and the iron could burn. The iron neither lost its nature nor the fire. The iron is a solid mass with specific volume, shape and weight . The fire keeps its nature of glowing and burning. You cannot end the union between iron and fire as long as the iron is hot.
The Divine nature and the human body of Jesus Christ are united in the hypostasis of the Son of God. The new nature combines the properties of the Divine nature and the human flesh.
This shows another reason for the Divine incarnation as not only to dwell among us because of His love and mercy, but to partake of the lives of man because of His Divine love and kindness.
The second reason is the redemption and the salvation of man through accepting death in His flesh instead of man. He redeemed man from eternal punishment as man disobeyed the commandment. This shows the justice of God as well as His love.









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